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Wednesday, 21 February 2024

P2121, P2122, P2123, P2125, P2126, P2127, P2128 Throttle/pedal position sensor/switch D, E low/high input, range/performance

Land Rover OBD-II Trouble Codes ------------------------------------------------The diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) P2121 through P2128 all relate to issues with the Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch D and E. These codes indicate problems with the low/high input, range, or performance of the throttle/pedal position sensor/switch. Here's a breakdown of each code:

Diagnostic Overview

  • The System: These codes specifically target the Accelerator Pedal Position (APP) sensors. For safety, the pedal uses two (or sometimes three) independent sensors (labeled D and E). The PCM constantly compares their voltages; if they don't match or if one falls out of its expected range, the car enters Failsafe (Limp) Mode.

  • P2122 / P2127 (Circuit Low): The PCM sees near-zero voltage. This usually means a broken wire, a disconnected plug, or a short to ground.

  • P2123 / P2128 (Circuit High): The voltage is pegged at 5V or higher. This often indicates a short to power or a internal failure within the sensor.

  • P2121 / P2126 (Range/Performance): The sensor is working, but the signal it's sending is "implausible" (e.g., the car is moving but the pedal says it's at 0%).

Common Failure Points

  1. The Pedal Assembly: The most frequent cause. The internal contacts (potentiometers) wear out, creating "dead spots" where the signal suddenly drops out.

  2. Floor Mat Interference: Believe it or not, a thick floor mat can prevent the pedal from returning to "zero," causing a correlation error (P2121).

  3. 5V Reference Short: Many engine sensors share a 5V power line from the PCM. If a different sensor (like a MAP or AC Pressure sensor) shorts out, it can pull down the voltage for the pedal, throwing these codes.

  4. Water Intrusion: If your windshield or sunroof leaks, water can run down the A-pillar and soak the pedal connector, causing a short circuit.

Troubleshooting Steps

  • The "Clear and Wiggle" Test: Clear the codes and wiggle the wiring harness near the pedal. If the codes return immediately, you likely have a wiring or connector issue.

  • Voltage Sweep: Using a scan tool, monitor "APP Sensor 1" and "APP Sensor 2" simultaneously.

    • Typically, Sensor 2 will report exactly half the voltage of Sensor 1 (e.g., if S1 is 1.0V, S2 should be 0.5V).

    • If one stays at 0V while the other moves, the sensor is dead.

  • Connector Cleaning: Unplug the pedal and check for "terminal fretting" (tiny black or silver marks on the pins). Use electronic cleaner to ensure a solid connection.

1. **P2121 - Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch D Circuit Range/Performance:**
   - Indicates a range or performance issue with Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch D.

2. **P2122 - Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch D Circuit Low Input:**
   - Suggests a low voltage condition in the Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch D circuit.

3. **P2123 - Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch D Circuit High Input:**
   - Indicates a high voltage condition in the Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch D circuit.

4. **P2125 - Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch E Circuit Range/Performance:**
   - Indicates a range or performance issue with Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch E.

5. **P2126 - Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch E Circuit Low Input:**
   - Suggests a low voltage condition in the Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch E circuit.

6. **P2127 - Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch E Circuit High Input:**
   - Indicates a high voltage condition in the Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch E circuit.

7. **P2128 - Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch E Circuit F Range/Performance:**
   - Indicates a range or performance issue with Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch E.

### Possible Causes:

1. **Faulty Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch D or E:** Issues with the sensors themselves, such as wear, damage, or electrical malfunctions.

2. **Wiring Issues:** Problems with the wiring or connectors associated with the Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch D or E circuits.

3. **Connector Problems:** Faulty connectors or terminal issues in the wiring harness related to the Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch D or E.

4. **Electronic Control Module (ECM) Issues:** Problems with the ECM responsible for managing the throttle position sensors.

### Diagnostic Steps:

1. **Inspect Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch D and E:** Check the sensors for signs of damage or wear. If they appear faulty, consider replacement.

2. **Check Wiring and Connectors:** Inspect the wiring and connectors associated with the Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch D and E circuits. Look for any signs of damage, corrosion, or loose connections.

3. **Perform Continuity Tests:** Check for continuity in the wiring from the sensors to the ECM.

4. **Verify Voltage Levels:** Use a multimeter to verify the voltage levels in the Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch D and E circuits.

5. **Verify ECM Operation:** Test the ECM for proper operation and communication with the throttle position sensors.

6. **Clear Codes:** After addressing any identified issues, clear the trouble codes and monitor the system for recurrence.

7. **Consider Professional Assistance:** If you are unsure about diagnosing or addressing these issues yourself, or if the faults persist, it's advisable to consult with a qualified mechanic or technician.

Addressing the root cause of the Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch D and E faults is crucial for proper engine performance and throttle response. If in doubt or if the faults persist, seeking professional assistance is recommended for a thorough diagnosis and effective repair.